I always heard all you need is a .25 auto. Im curious as to why you only show five rounds of .45 LC with your Ruger. 8. 44 mag or most any other caliber in those ranges if the person using it knows how to shoot. Do you have an animal or nature story to share with Newsweek? They always seem to show up. feral hogs Are they prudent, not for me. Companions showed up shooting to save the day. My mountain weapon is a 458 SOCOM, semi-auto, from a 8in barrel, eotech halo-graphic, green laser and 1000 lumen light, with a 300gr lead tip hollow point. But also a few manufacturers that load plus P 45 Colt rounds that are every bit as powerful as the 44 magnum. Same applies to the Redhawk if you insist on a DA. He has 158 grain, cast SWC and SJSP flat point, +P ammuntion that are showing 890 FPS muzzle velocity on the boxes. They dont respond the same way as healthy animals. Derek Wolfe told Tucker Carlson he plans to eat the mountain lion he hunted. If you can't gain proficiency and carry something of reasonable power level, then go with spray. .38 special have been a huge disappointment for me. The third racoons I shot was hit behind the heart lung area with a 7.62x 25 , it flinched from the shot, turned, growled, and continued towards a timbered embankment and possible escape. She attacked the 65-pound animal, striking . Youre just a hokey guy who tries to be funny by putting others down. is excellent. into camp look for a meal in the ice chest. Bobcat tracks will be much smallerless than 2 inches wide . 7.62 mm (.32 cal) out of a necked-down 9mm case. James A. My advice: If youre standing, attempt to avoid a confrontation; and mentally prepare yourself for the greater likelihood that youll be on your back being chewed on. I read an article recently that said you are statistically more likely to survive a bear attack using mace rather than a sidearm. Its also probably a one or two shot deal, so firepower is irrelevant. If you get to take a shot while standing, you should be making an effort to evade an attack while at the ready. My colleague and friend Bryce Towsley (brycetowsley.com) is a veteran gun writer who has considerable experience with bears of all sorts. so dont tell me or others you rough it in the Alaskan wilderness because thats bullshit. No matter what anybody says, Shoemaker got lucky with that 9mm on the bear. No browns in this neck of the woods so no need for the really big bore guns. This I know from personal experience! None of the planned gun laws have any impact on bolt-action rifles as far as I'm aware (except perhaps limiting magazine capacity if it has one), and to be extra safe you could get a bolt-action rifle without a detachable magazine. Id have gladly traded it for a snub-nose .38 Special. ( Watch a Florida panther pass . The bear biologist was tracking the animals when I stepped out of the woods and she told me how close we were to the bear. A picture shows a lamb and a mountain lion side by side. For this update, we found another .22 rimfire case, two additional 9mm cases, another .38 special case, three additional .357 magnum cases, another 10mm case, five additional .44 magnum cases . Fortunately I was about 80 yds. @1,3000+ FPS, a 255 gr. With those animals ranging from 30 pounds to 1200 pounds, there is no single optimum caliber/bullet combination. No bear or cubs life is worth a human life. I have a buddy who guided a hunter with a .50 AE to a brown in the late eighties when it came out and it was a disaster. I mostly use single action pistols in 44 Mag, 45 colt, 454 casull, and a Bowen 475 Linebaugh that is my favorite. What to do? They have been conditioned to hear a gun and equate it to a free meal. A mountain lion killed some goats about a half mile from us. I carry either my Ruger Alasken 44 mag, or my Ruger GP 100 in 44 Special with custom loaded 255 gr. Just holes. I just wander where his Pistol and the rigging went to. This is largely down to a lack of resources in their own habitats. What would make a good companion piece [long gun] regardless of sidearm? The .45 Colt makes a formidable handgun cartridge, especially in a pistol as strong as the Blackhawk, where the pressures and velocities can be ramped up a bit. A Smith & Wesson Model 29, in .44 Remington Magnum completely in the vein of Dirty Harry still makes an excellent choice for the bear woods. coastal on the Alaska peninsula quartering away with a .338 Win mag. The mountain lion also occasionally preys on domestic livestock and pets. If I find it I will post it. A California man has been sentenced to 30 days in jail and other penalties for the killing of a protected mountain lion over the summer. Its jackass. Defensive purse swinging! in he he stated that no matter how big of a rifle one has in their hands, when facing something that is fully willing and capable of stomping you into a frothy little puddle of blood and hair, no matter what youve got, its still going to feel like a willow switch. You go first, Ill watch. Great point with the Redhawk recommendation! Mountain lions have a size advantage, a power advantage, and more weapons in their arsenal to kill a wolf. More than half of those were fawns. In Africa the wholesale slaughter of wild game was done to make room for agriculture and the safety of the farmers many of whom blasted off their feet the entire big game population for miles around. Browning on your sail boat, that will keep you happy ! The one time I did push these cases was to experiment with that claim, and after 5 heavy loadings, the primer pockets were very loose, but no sign of any case separation. Anyway, Ive had my share of sleepless nights in a tent in Alaska and try to heed to basics keep food well away from camp, cook away from camp, dont camp on trails, avoid cubs like the plague, if approached give ground, etc. and driving a rig your not in the Alaskan brush. Ultimately, some gun is better than no gun, and too much gun that youre unable to get proficient with is a problem. can a 38 special kill a mountain lion. A woman was killed by a cougar, in Washington State a couple of weeks ago, while mountain biking. The study found that adult male lions were more likely to kill less but bigger prey than females. just my 2 cents. "It is unlawful to kill a mountain lion without a permit for the California Department of Fish and . After feeding on its kill, the lion will cache the prey, or bury it in a secluded spot. Just my 2 cents for whats its worth. The cougar was probably at the end of the rage stage, where attacks on almost anything are common. This is why I prefer my .460 Roland it has compensator for better follow on second shot. Sheep and goats are the most commonly killed domestic livestock, but mountain lions also kill cattle, Before all the Eco Warriors took over the various Forrest and land agencies. Wolfe played for the Broncos from 2012-19 and the Ravens in 2020. When I go into the Cascades, I always take a .357 revolver. The 4-3-1 rule is a good rule of thumb, however, I agree with the comments about a 10mm. Like I said before , I wish someone would make a 416 Rem Mag. A good friend used to go to Alaska to fish. 1400+ fpm with a 140-grain FMJ bullet out of a 4.5-inch barrel. You think living in the Alaskan bush 24/7/365 for 33 years as a bear guide makes you an expert? I want to be able to pump 8 to 18 rounds in his head as fast as I can. Most hotels in Kalispell, Montana have a supply of bear spray on hand, which they will lend out to guests who wish to go hiking. First you start off by saying a Judge or Governor is not what you want for bear country, then end by saying you carry a Redhawk in .45 Colt for bear. while you are on the road system you are in cell phone communications 90% of the time. While Snap decisions in day to day life are a bad idea.. I hope that you had a good camera and a long lens to shoot it. As most readers are probably aware, a cougar (aka mountain lion) attacked a couple of mountain bikers in California last month [ Outside Online News: January 9 . However, if you're going to deploy bear spray against a mountain lion, then you need to make sure of a few things. counter-shrunk chambers, and original factory Goncalo Alves target grips. Newsweek has contacted the California Department of Fish and Wildlife for comment. The 454 would probably be better and I did have a 500 S&W in 4 inch but as heavy as it was I figured it was easier to carry a 12 ga pump on a sling and let someone carry out the meat while I protected them. There was also a guy who used the Air Force M6 .22 LR/.410 GA over/under rifle/shotgun. 480 ruger penetrated steel railroad plates by hitting so hard, the steel cracked and shattered. Owing to circumstances at their place, I wasnt able to go. The Hornady 325gr Leverevolution is a whole different story. But in advanced Industrialized Countries your a dying bread of cat. Shoot, shovel, and shut up. pistol. They are considered important in maintaining ecosystems and controlling other animal populations such as deer, its preferred prey. Personally, Ive only seen a grizzly bear from the comfortable confines of a vehicle, but that boar in Yellowstone Park made a lasting impression. I remember clearly, back in 2002, while surveying in the foothills of the Berkshires a young employee came running up from the point he was supposed to locate, toward the survey instrument I was running. Always do your homework before entering any unfamiliar land, especially bear infested areas so you will be acquainted with these and other survival techniques including escape routes should you encounter an emergency situation. Even if the game warden had survived, he However, should you have the misfortune of getting between a sow and her cubs, or perhaps meet a cantankerous old boar, the black bear certainly has the equipment to rearrange your anatomy, and even possibly render your birth certificate null and void. Numerous attacks this summer, to include at least two confirmed deaths. When a bear is facing you even if you penetrate the meat and skull, the skull is angled flat so the bullet would probably ricochet rather than penetrate. I believe that model Ruger is single action, right? carry ! The female mountain lion in a chilling faceoff with a solo trail runner in Utah wasn't trying to kill him. If that is the mountain lion in the background why is it field dressed. A good .357 Magnum and I really like the Kimber K6s will definitely come in handy. A bear spray story- False economy at that point. Trained dogs can be used to capture or kill depredating lions. Mountain lions dont have a reputation for requiring powerful firearms to put them down. I have always heard, or read, that one should use heavy for caliber, hard cast lead bullets for bear. against a pack of feral dogs a .38 Special is highly effective and lethal. Oct. 14, 2020 6:15 PM PT. Couple Im friends with have a vacation home in NW Montana(we all live in So. , .357 mag. Hard cast bullets at 1100 fps. Hornady, However, the realization that you might have to use one to defend against a couple-hundred pounds of teeth and fangs doesnt exactly make one feel like Zorro; in fact, I looked down at it and said to myself:This is gonna hurt. The statement that you wont be able to dump a full magazine into a charging bear is likely true as well. Its getting to be real world, daily and wont get better until folks like us step up and step forward. (I have killed or watched others kill several with an ax when I was guiding. Just stay away from me because you are just asking for trouble. to a .22 or .32 the .38 Special 148 grain lead target wad-cutter is ideal for these purposes. With a 5 inch un-ported barrel, 300 grain hard cast solids, cut an X on the point with a fine hack saw about 1/8 of an inch deep. Any suggestion that a 9mm or 357 magnum is any gun better than none in brown bear country is ridiculous. For more information about Smith & Wesson, click here. Do I want to use one as my sidearm? Please reply. Leave bear territory, do a quick mag switch and your back to the right rounds for CCW. Brian M.- I also did the same thing with my Glock 21 accept I started with the 45 Super cartridge. feral dogs Bullets dont tend to divert in the wind at the necessary defensive distances. Lions are very powerful and usually kill large animals, such as deer and elk. That winter, I shot a buffalo @ 50 yards with 300 grain federal cast core in a ruger .44 carbine. Im still skeered o rabbies. Of course you can imagine the hysterical reactions that suggestion creates.. bobcats In this case, the mountain lion was found to have rabies. One guy, a native of Alaska (Marty) carried a .22 Magnum revolver. There was a Professor who during the 50s and 60s working with the US Forrest Service..spent a great deal of time studying bears and bear attacks. I hope those guides told you that if you fire a round, bears start coming from all directions to eat the free gut pile. Dick Casulls brainchild improves the ballistics of the .45 Colt even in modern handguns and provides an entirely different performance level for those who can handle it. WLN LBT even at long ranges with factory twists. Im sure that by now youve all heard about famous Alaskan bear guide Phil Shoemaker (grizzlyskinsofalaska.com) , who thwarted a grizzly attack with a Smith & Wesson 9mm automatic, loaded with Buffalo Bore hard cast ammunition. I have had to kill a couple Grizzlies, and have had numerous Mexican stand offs, over moose or caribou kills. But For actual hunting a big bear, 375 H&H; I guess I love the classics. I have both the Governor and a Public Defender Judge, but no steel framed .45 Long Colt guns. In your expert opinion is my 44mag redhawk with LBT heat treated solids weighing 300 grains adequate? A sidearm is a very smart idea. Tracy Ross 3:00 AM MST on Jan 1, 2023. I would want a 45 cal or at least a 9mm double action semi-auto with a chambered cartridge every time. Even The bfr is very easy shooting postal and extremely accurate. In Colorado, population estimates range from 3,000 to 7,000 mountain lions. There was an Indian woman in Canada out hunting small game for the stew pot with her .22 rifle, when she found herself being hunted by a large grizzly. So if its a two shot scenario with a revolver, I can place 4 AIMED shots with my 10mm in the same amount of time. So, I got a Marlin Guide Gun in .45-70Gvt. be utilized for small game hunting: rabbit, squirrel, and grouse. They can be found throughout the state apart from the southeastern desert and the Central Valley. Jim Farmer Thats why I would always plan to have with me.a friend who could not run as fast as me!!!!! 255gr. Magnum revolver for not only armed defense against both two and four legged Hard cast bullet are the best for bear defense, they will penetrate like nothing else out there. I asked what type of Rifle he carried. Picture yourself on your back with a bear in your face and you trying to fight him off with one hand and reaching for your gun. If you did, you wouldnt be even considering spray or a souped up .32 pistol round as your primary weapon of bear defense Cripes, just go to zoo and imagine the zoo born and/or raised sleeping pile of fur your looking at, being really pissed off at you, or just curious, and has a closing velocity of over 30 mph. carry the biggest piece of iron that you can place multiple rounds accurately and in very little time, amigos.. In Alaska, meat is often removed from a kill site via a frame pack and two strong legs, and all that blood creates a scent trail like a flashing All-you-can-eat buffet advertisement. The people who shot the cougar had no way of knowing that the cougar had rabies when they shot it. You can love a single action revolver but you wont find an Alaskan guide or hunter carrying one, or a semi-auto pistol without a 45-70 or 338WinMag at the ready. 8gr 800-X will put some lead into anyones pencil. Ok Rambo ! I do reload them hot. But Garrett makes a round called hammer head. We live in a world that has an exploding human population and dangerous animals are always the losers. Its time for some lab work, and the Feds arent going to let us stake a few bears out in someones back forty to test loads out on. Your .357 magnum should be fine and easier to get off a second shot on target. You can keep your semi-autos and single action revolvers. After a comment like that, Im certain that youre an expert in the art of defensive purse swinging. This attack from 2008 shows the utility of a handgun for defense against predators in the wild. Eventually, Ill get around to getting a .460 Rowland kit and chest holster for my 1911 and start taking that instead. Hard cast is king. Big hand guns buck like a mule, and even though adrenaline is flowing, that big gun will jump and you will have to push hard for that second shot, The .460 Roland doesnt rise as much as the .45 Colt. In ordinary life, people are much more likely to be attacked by another person, than by a mountain lion. The experience led me to think about bear, cougar, and moose encounters that can happen on my property. I will keep my 4 Smith and Wesson (K-Frame) Model 66 stainless .357 Combat Carry a 5 S&W 500 loaded with 700 gr hardcast from Ballistic Supply. killed a mountain lion years back with a 3 inch 629, 240 grain hollow points, was not impressed. Understanding that a grizz is top oh the list for a bad and aggressive attitude, a grizz cant kill you more then any other bear could. would have been just as well dead anyway. Gonna do that with a 45LC or .44 mag? An exceedingly interesting question. might be ok for a black bear, but will likely piss off a coastal bear. Theyll put down vermin, but small may not put down dangerous game. Mine rides in a Diamond D Guides Choice model. A few years back I went to Alaska, rented a 44 pickup camper,& spent 6 weeks in the boondocks, with only my wife. There is a term for that. If one only goes out when and where a mild breeze at most is at their back on a sunny day.. Well you get my drift. He has 158 grain, cast SWC and SJSP flat point, +P ammuntion that are showing 890 FPS muzzle velocity on the boxes. I dont know anything about bears .but the comment about butchering hogs was funny to me . There are videos out there that show this gun/ammo combo going through both sides of the current US Army helmet. I prefer to carry a .460 Roland built on .45 Colt ACP 1911 chassis. Texas Teens Getting Carry Licenses! Absolutely. Federal, With 158-grain bullets moving at nearly 800 fps, this probably represents along with the 9mm Luger the lower end of the spectrum, as far as a defensive bear gun goes. He was knocked down to the ground getting mauled fending off the black bear with his left arm while he drew and fired his semi-auto point blank into the bears throat with his right. But .380's tend to be small handguns, and with a mountain lion if it's within the accurate range of a small pocket gun you're likely already dead. Can mountain lions jump? A long barrel revolver or pistol in very close quarters. For more information about Hornady ammunition, click here. A revolver is a one threat gun so unless you are Jerry Miculek you will run out of ammo with a revolver. Yes! Lighter, cheaper, and much better statistics than any conceivable 38spl load. killed a mountain lion years back with a 3 inch 629, 240 grain hollow points, was not impressed. Its a free country Plinker you are free to engage in Prayer, Ritual and Incantations by the light of the moon. next fly out someplace and sleep in a tent than write something that means something. Carry big. vintage Smith and Wesson Model 66 is a classic beautiful handgun with pinned barrel, I stopped the pickup and as it went down the incline one shot hit the abdominal cavity and another between the shoulder blades, it crawled about two feet and died. The range of a Mountain Lion may cover 25 to 785 square miles. I would still rather have a 12 gauge though. In an ambush situation, if you havent been paying attention, you wont have much time to reactMost of the people I know use the Ruger Alaskan pistols in 44mag minimum, next in popularity is the 454 Ruger Alaskan. Found the bullet in the other ear, Weighed 270 grains. After all bears are quite well armed are they not? I like the S&W 460 as well. Although, for me, the closest I want to get to a rattler is a 44 mag snake load, preferably my Judge in .410 7 shot. I carefully googled this story using the locationImpossible to find any story that confirms that what you said id true. do revolvers. I know Phil has seen more bears killed than I ever will, but he got lucky. A 45 Long Colt? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Exactly. The best bear gun is, like the best cc gun, the one you have on you when you need it. No, they dont. A starting load of 3.9 grains was decided on, and the first rounds were loaded up. Smith & Wesson. I decently placed 5.56 will kill anything in north america. That said, I wish someone would come up with a good ballistic gel/trauma plate simulated bear and test out everything from .22 LR to all the Dirty Harry stuff, .44 Mag and up. My close friend and ex-county sheriff assures me that, unless you are acting like an idiot, most sheriffs here in Colorado will just shake your hand and wish you a good day, IF they happen to see your with a magazine with > 15 rounds. The .454 Casull is my usual choice as it provides a good balance of power with manageability. 10 mm HAH why not hit the Bear with your Purse? I mixed opinions about this article. My two cents. white-tailed deer I own several Casulls, but my favorite handgun is a 5-inch, custom Freedom Arms Model 83 that Ken Kelly tricked out for me. My first choice is a Springfield XD 5 inch in 460 Rowland. On my next trip I will get a gun with a 4 barrel!! Curious if anyone has evaluated any of the older Cold War Warsaw Pact pistols. The lion can then be shot and removed, or tranquilized and transplanted at least 300 miles (480 km) away. LOL. However, they also prove a nuisance to local livestock. Rocky the dog was left with a hole in his head that went "down to his brain" after he bravely defended his . Nothing prepares you for the 700 gr hardcast, but Im counting on the adrenaline to kick in. His dad stopped a charging brown with a .500 S&W pistol a few years ago. Jaguars range in size from about 100lbs up to 300lbs, run at speeds of 50 mph, and bite with a bone-crushing 1,500 PSI. Lesson learned never keep food for bears in your camp site. I have three loads that I shot, 200 gr. Mountain lions have a size advantage, a power advantage, and more weapons in their arsenal to kill a wolf. The compilation lists 61 mountain lion attacks that resulted in injuries in the 16 and a half years, and at least 31 cases where attacks were thwarted by aggressive action. Do you have a problem with this model? Caliber: 357 or better. Just no big name in the periodicals. Deerfield, IL School Superintendent Violates Illinois Law With Gun Control Call To Action, Armed Self-Defense Chronicles: When a Detroit Doctor Defended Himself and His Family Against a Racist Mob. not litter the landscape. The most restrictive, California State Proposition 117, passed in 1990, prohibits the killing of any mountain lion except in the case of an animal that poses a direct threat to people, pets, or . Although lighter than what one would think of as bear protection, the authors .38 Special is extremely compact, lightweight and portable. Hollow points sacrifice penetration for larger wound channel . I recently read the account of a man in Oregon who survived a black bear attack. 45acp . a lot of hunting forums ive read recommend at least .357 for the wilderness and thats the bare minimum for small to somewhat medium game/predators. I do not shoot rabid animals in the head for fear of spreading the rabies virus from the brain, I do not know if this is true or not but thats what Ive been told. sure, sure, sure. Do you have a rare 5-shot model, or just down to your last five cartridges for the photo shoot? All silliness aside, this illustrates a challenge for a woods gun. Agreed. An official from the department visited the farm shortly after the incident and found tracks belonging to the animal, according to local news reports. You should first attempt to fire a warning shot to scare off the lion before it attacks. Absolute .357 Mag in a revolver for me is a minimum. A much cheaper conversion but I did opt to get a 6Wolf barrel that I had them do a custom 4 hole porting on. The issues penetration. For the most part, good info. Required fields are marked *. My wife carries an old Model 60. Further.. having been in life threatening situations .. having a myriad of tools to choose from.. Is just not always a benefit. Humans travel about 21MPH tops.. Bears.. 35mph.. Now thats an appropriate comment. Considering all the crap I have received from all the internet commandos and bear experts for foolishly using only a 9mm I am glad I was not carrying my Tokarev! Stay safe in mountain lion country Do not hike, bike or jog alone. Cork Grahams rig. All of these four-legged animals that have attacked humans are in my state: I would have no reservation about using it on a mountain lion. Powerful but lower recoil than a .454 Casull, .460 or a .500 S&W. They respond pretty well to people calibers without the need to go full-on hand cannon. They have been most noted in the mountains of California but had, at one time, been found across North and South America. Roughly the same size as my 8 S & W 44 mag, but a lot more fire power. Any thoughts on this combo for bear country? State officials have issued a permit allowing a rancher to kill P-45, a mountain lion believed to be responsible for the recent killings of livestock near Malibu, Calif. (National Park Service via AP) Its often with me in bear country and has made several trips to Alaska. Chances are youll only get to use one? That said, here are my picks. In my tests with 300 gr. If you carry anything less than a S&W 500 Magnum 4 inch for self protection in this state while in the outdoors you are playing with fire. This was a glaring example of surprise; this area, while remote, rugged and wooded, wasnt known for its bear population, very few had ever been seen there, but that one bear had my employees undivided attention. Even had to qualify with it if you carried it as part of your job duties. Im a pistol guy now, and except for my Ruger Super Red Hawk, I seldom shoot revolvers. The only real downside is there is not a good rifle to go with the 10 mm. HP ammo may be great for two legged predators, not so much for those with fourand large teeth! and the 45 colts are equal if used in modern stout pistols. Mr. Massaro, it is men like you who make our country and our military great! The +P shoots a bit higher than the standard 44mag rounds. I had a face off not far from lake Iliamna with that combo and would not have traded it for the world. the sidearm nicely supplements the rifle, as a companion piece. In a close encounter this bear would have had enough time to kill me with no problem. 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